Do You DAW?

Happy 2019 to all. We have been pretty quiet over the past few months. During that time we have been busy working with Ketron and the IMMusic side of things.

We have a had a few questions recently regarding connecting up OAX to a PC or a MAC to use it with a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation). We posted a poll about a week ago on our Facebook page to get a feel of how many folks would be interested in diving a little deeper into the topic.

Hop over to our FB page and vote or comment so we can decide if its worth the time to put together a couple of videos on the topic.

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7 thoughts on “Do You DAW?

  • 01/14/2019 at 07:21
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    Hi Ross,

    I’m not surprised that you’re confused, it’s not exactly a straightforward installation process is it! Here’s how I think it works. What we have is a three level hierarchy, one thing sits inside another which sits inside another, rather like those cute little Russian dolls where a small one goes inside a bigger one then goes inside an even bigger on.

    At the bottom level we have the Sound Bank files. These are the files that generate the Hammond Organ sounds. For those familiar with Kontakt these are the samples libraries, for example a piano or a string section. The Sound Bank files need to be installed in the UVI Workstation. This is the sample player that plays the sounds. The Kontakt equivalent is the Kontakt Player. There are three versions of the UVI Workstation for both PC and Mac systems. The first is the stand-alone version and is useful for running on a separate computer. It doesn’t require a VST host, so is easier and simpler to get going. This is the approach I’ve taken with the Wersi HD Series, everything runs in stand-alone mode. I’m going to die in 10 years and I haven’t got time to be faffing around with VSTs! The other two versions are a VST Plug-in (for Windows systems) and an AU Plug-in (for Mac systems). For the Sonic we need the VST Plug-in (64 bit) which we need to install in the OAX VST host. So I think the installation procedure should be as follows:-

    1) Make sure you have all the necessary files downloaded onto the Sonic. If you have done this some time ago it’s worth checking that you have the latest versions of these. I read that Acoustic Samples issue a complete new version as an update, not a patch. This is what I think the B5 update file is. If you have not already done so you will also need to register the product with Acoustic Samples using the ilok licensing software and the serial number that they will have provided you with.
    2) Follow the Acoustic Samples instructions to install your downloaded files in the Windows system folders. I recommend that you install them in the default locations as defined by the installer. This means that they are where they are expected to be for later in the process.
    3) Now install the UVI Workstation VST Plug-in the Sonic’s VST host and start it running. If all goes well you should see the Sound Bank files already loaded. If not, you may have to load them manually by specifying their pathname.

    Just for information, and in case you get so exasperated that you decide to throw the B5 software in the bin, the VB3 Hammond Organ Software that I reviewed recently doesn’t require a sample player. There’s a VST Plug-in version that you can install directly into the OAX VST host. It’s easier on the nerves!

    Good luck, and let us know how you get on.
    Jeff

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  • 01/12/2019 at 06:18
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    Hi Ross,

    Just to add to Curt’s comments on running a DAW on the Sonic.

    When we talk about VSTs we are really talking about two distinct items, a VST Plug-in and a VST Host. A VST Plug-in is an item of software that can either generate sounds (a Sounds VST) or an effect (an Effects VST). Kontakt would be an example of the former, and a Reverb VST would be an example of the latter. In order to use a VST Plug-in we need to install it in a VST host, which can also provide a number of other features such a midi communications and multi-track record/playback facilities. A DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) is an example of a VST Host. So we could for example install Kontakt or any other VST Plug-in into a DAW and then have a totally integrated music processing system.

    On the Sonic we could think of the OAX as a VST Host since it contains within it a software module that can accept VST Plug-ins. However, if we wish to use a DAW on the instrument, this is a completely separate free standing program that we would have to install under the Windows environment. This is certainly possible, but the issue would be how do we get the required midi data from the keyboards and continuous controllers of the Sonic to the DAW because the system is set up to feed these to the OAX. It looks like another one of those VST restrictions that Curt was referring to. On an externally connected computer it’s no problem because all of that midi information comes out on the Sonic’s external midi system.

    Jeff

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    • 01/12/2019 at 16:09
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      Thanks for that Jeff this gives me a much better picture of how the system works.
      I am desperate for some decent organ drawbar sounds and sometime ago purchased the Acoustic Samples VB5 Version 2.
      I run a second 23″ monitor on the OAX mainly for sheet music display and have successfully loaded a VST to it in the past, but have been unsuccessful getting the VB5 working. I loaded the VST Host but could not load the plug in and It crashed the system once and I had to reload the latest OAX update to get the organ working again.

      I am also hopeful that one day Wersi might get the currently unassignable drawbars functioning for this application. Now my OAX is now operational again after being faulty for months I must get back and have another attempt to get this working.
      Thanks a lot

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    • 01/13/2019 at 23:58
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      Hi Jeff still a little confused here with setting up the Acoustic Samples B5 on the OAX, can you please help.
      I have downloaded the B-5 organ that is a UVI Sound bank File
      There is also an update B-5 organ EDC RAR file
      and the UVI workstation x64bit application.
      1. Can I run the UVI sound bank file directly on the OAX or do I need load the UVI workstation software first and then load the UVI sound bank file to the workstation?

      2. What do I do with the EDC RAR file?

      Hope you can help
      Many thanks

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  • 01/11/2019 at 14:29
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    What is the benefit against running a VST on the Sonic OAX computer, after all the facility is available in the software to do that?

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    • 01/12/2019 at 07:36
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      Ross, As you know, we did run a couple of different VSTs directly on our Sonic. Overall it did work, but we found the interface to be a bit of a problem. In some cases, the VST would cover up the OAX controls, or in other cases, the VST screen would come up, but many of the controls and features were very difficult to operate using the touch screen in the organ. I do recall at one point we hooked up an external monitor and displayed the VST on that screen leaving the standard OAX screen “as-is.” That helped, but in our case, we don’t usually run with a second monitor attached to our Sonic.

      We also added a second SSD and additional memory to our Sonic in support of running VST’s. While that memory is still installed, the external SSD has been disconnected and is now in use on our Mac.

      For us, we found that overall “usability” was the biggest drawback.

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