Yamaha Style Compare

Before we jump in I do have to say that we still don’t fully understand the various Yamaha styles types. PSR, vs. Tyros vs. Genos. Over on the http://www.psrtutorial.com site ,where we downloaded this style it says it’s a Genos style yet we found this style on a Tyros5 (Yes, a real keyboard).

So, we are not going to say anything other than it’s a Yamaha style. We recorded this Yamaha style on a Tyros5 and also the same Yamaha style on OAX after it was converted. There was no processing done on either file. What you hear is exactly as it sounded on each unit. The only thing we did was an attempt to get the volumes levels reasonably close to each other.

Comments on which you prefer?

13 thoughts on “Yamaha Style Compare

  • 07/24/2019 at 10:55
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    Having listened to both styles, I would agree that the Yamaha one sounds better, but I also think the oax one is perfectly acceptable to my ears. Let’s be honest, Yamaha are without doubt the industry leaders in developing arranger keyboards and I would expect their styles to be top notch particularly as their keyboards depend very much on the use of styles.

    As is often pointed out, the Wersi Sonic is primarily an organ and not an arranger keyboard and it is therefore perhaps unrealistic to expect Yamaha styles to sound as good after conversion. However for me, the style converter provides me with hundreds of new and perfectly acceptable styles to use on my Sonic, and I think for me, the purchase of the style converter is money well spent.

    Interestingly, there has been little mention of the Roland converter. I have very little knowledge of Roland styles and i wonder how the conversions will compare to the originals. Perhaps once I have fully explored the Yamaha converter, i may be tempted to purchase the Roland one.

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  • 07/23/2019 at 13:28
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    As it seems to have got lost in the system, here is the post I posted earlier today.

    Wersi has worked with EMC to create the style convertors for OAX and can be purchased from Music Store and activated on OAX instruments, (They are built into OAX from V2.50 onwards) however they are not compatible with OAS in any form.
    The original OAS (Before the OAA option) use the .sto style format (Pretty crude compared to modern systems) and could also convert old Pegasus styles into .sto format.
    With introduction of the OAA (On which the OAX style system is based) it added a new format of .stw for the styles (The OAA completely replaces the old OAS style system) due to the advanced features added compared to the old OAS system, it could also support styles in .sty and .prs format allowing native support of Tyros 2 styles.
    If you have the old OAS style system you will need to purchase the EMC style convertor direct from EMC http://www.emc-musicsoftware.com/Style-Works-XT/en (You only need to purchase the version for Wersi not the universal) to convert the styles into a format that OAS can recognise.
    If you have the OAA then you can get free Yamaha convertors from http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/ to convert Tyros 3 and later into Tyros 2 format, (Which is natively supported by the OAA) however the Tyros 2 format is more limited so don’t expect anything fancy when converting from later models.
    Hope this helps

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  • 07/23/2019 at 11:57
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    An interesting and revealing exercise Curt. Clearly the style conversion hasn’t worked particularly well. The converted OAX style is noticeably inferior to the original Yamaha style both in tonal quality and instrumentation. Sorry to say that it’s looking like a YAHBOO (Yet Another Horrendous Botchup On OAX)!

    Jeff

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    • 07/24/2019 at 15:53
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      I think, we can not compare an organ with a keyboard. If your instrument should sound like a Tyros, buy a Tyros. Have you ever compared another organ playing Tyros/Genos-styles with the OAX. In my opinion we have never had such a good overall sound than we have now and especially the drums has been improved very much. Much better than in OAS.

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  • 07/23/2019 at 09:23
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    Thanks Curt for the explanation,
    I found in the meantime a small program, sf2c.exe that is a Style Format 2 Converter and works fine under Windows 10, its Convert SFF2 style files to SFF1 style files. Bùùùùd, covert also the Tyros 5 styles to SFF1 styles. The rhythm unit sounds perfect but the rhythm accompaniment sounds good in some rhythms and bad in other rhythms.
    Of course I can’t compare, because I don’t have Tyros 5, but what you don’t know doesn’t bother you.

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  • 07/23/2019 at 07:19
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    Curt, I have a question, how and with what do you convert the styles? Is that also possible to e.g. OAS compatible styles?
    OAS does not recognize the styles and indicates “Style maybe corrupted!”

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    • 07/23/2019 at 08:56
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      Hi John, We used the new optional style converter package for OAX. They also offer a similar package for Roland styles.

      Here’s a small snippet from the “What’s New” in OAX 2.5:

      Conversion of styles from other manufacturers:
      With the OAX 2.5, you can purchase two modules by activation, with which you can convert styles of other manufacturers and then use them in the OAX system. The modules YAMAHA and ROLAND are available. Further modules are planned.

      New Timbres
      In the new version, 2.5 more than 1100 new drum tones have been integrated which are spread over 25 new drum sets. These new drum tones are used for the compatibility of the converted styles. Furthermore, there are some more tones that have been developed especially for the automatic accompaniment.*

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  • 07/23/2019 at 06:56
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    I think Bill is right,
    Yes, I also unfortunately have to say that it doesn’t sound so great on the OAX as it does on the Yamaha.

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    • 07/23/2019 at 09:04
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      I’ll agree with both of you that it clearly sounds different. Not sure that it has to sound the same? What’s nice is having the option to pick from thousands of styles and be able to use them on an OAX instrument. Some sound better than others and we find a much larger selection of contemporary type styles vs. marches, polka, etc that are not our taste.

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      • 07/24/2019 at 16:40
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        I agree with Curt here…The style convert was not made to try to make the Sonic sound like a Yamaha. It’s purpose is to expand the capabilities of the instrument.
        I am sure there are more exciting things coming down the line. I am anxiously awaiting the sample import and was told it will be coming.

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        • 07/26/2019 at 16:59
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          I agree Jerry, i have activated and just converted nearly 500 Yamaha styles and am absolutely delighted with all these new styles. I turn down the autobass, so that is irrelevant to me, and also have the accompaniments quite low, so it is really the drums and rhythms that interest me most.

          Just flicking through a couple of hundred allowed me to hear the quality and song application some will fit, so can’t wait to get some more time over the weekend to play with them.

          I remember paying over £400 for a digital drum machine about 20 years ago, and that only had about 100 patterns, so £133 for over 500, so far, is an absolute bargain!

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  • 07/22/2019 at 13:29
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    What on earth is going on with Wersi, it’s not even close; I hope others are significantly better or I suggest you ask for your money back. (Wersi just appears to be getting worse and worse with every update since the V2.00 update disaster)

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