Drawbar Video – Yes / No ?

We had a very interesting discussion with a few folks over the past week or so regarding the OAX drawbar implementation. Based on that interaction we started to record a short video showing a few screen shots of the VB3 and OX7 and various drawbar options.

In the meantime we have been sidetracked helping a good friend get their website up and running. That site is 100% about woman’s clothing so probably not to much interest to the “Wersi gang”?

In any event – Should we finish up our drawbar video? If we get enough responses we would be more that happy to that! If it turns out I’m the only person to respond / comment to this post – Probably not worth our time? 🙂

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17 thoughts on “Drawbar Video – Yes / No ?

  • 03/31/2017 at 11:39
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    Hi Jerry,
    The answer to your question is yes and no. A Total Preset is essentially a link to locations in the OAS/X database that contain the sounds and accompaniments that the Total Preset requires. So as Bill says, if your presets contain only standard OAS sounds and accompaniments with no modifications, then these should load successfully because all the standard OAS sounds and styles have been ported to the OAX database.

    However, if your presets contain any kind of user programmable data, this cannot be accessed because it doesn’t appear in the OAX database. All of this data will have to be loaded and set up manually. We’re talking here of things like sounds with adjusted sound controls, sounds edited with the Sound Editor, sounds created by the Sound Factory, imported sounds, styles modified or created by the OAA, imported styles, wave files and MIDI files created by the OAS recorders, MIDI files created or modified by the MIIDI sequencer, imported MIDI, wave, MP3 and video files.

    It’s a nightmare, but there is a solution to this problem. When you perform an OAS backup, all of this data is captured. So if we had a facility in the OAX to read an OAS backup file and load its contents into the OAX database we would have a fast and easy migration procedure. I put this proposal to the Wersi development team quite some time ago as I know it’s a significant issue for many OAS owners with large amounts of user programmable data who might wish to upgrade. I didn’t even get the courtesy of a reply, so I doubt very much if it’s going to happen.

    So my advice to any OAS owner contemplating an upgrade to OAX is this. If like me you’re in the autumn of your years, forget it. You’re not going to live long enough to put it all back together again. If however you’re a younger person, before letting go of the instrument, export and save as much of this data as you can. For data that can’t be exported (like sounds for example) make a detailed record of all the new settings that you have made. Then when you get your recycled instrument simply allocate a couple of years for the restoration process*

    Jeff

    * For those not entirely attuned to my North of England sense of humour, I am of course joking. The restoration process will take nothing like two years, can’t be more than 18 months at the most!

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    • 03/31/2017 at 14:31
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      Jeff – Your sense of humor brings a smile to my face with just about every post you make! Maybe I’m British and don’t know it?

      As you eluded to I suspect the issue will be the “Conversion Utility”. I suspect attempting to restore a backup from an OAS instrument will produce some interesting messages (that will most likely be in German) on an OAX instrument.

      I’d be happy to take a run at that but have no access to an OAS instrument to create a backup. If anyone has a backup file from OAS they are willing to share via Dropbox or some other cloud storage service I’ll give it shot and share all the “wonderful” errors / messages it creates.

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  • 03/30/2017 at 20:24
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    Just received UPS notice that my OAX-1 will be delivered on 03-31. All the information you supply will be greatly appreciated.
    Also do you know if I can import my presets from my Abacus to the OAX-1? I know the sounds will be in different place but there are split points and other things that would make it easier rather than having to program each song.

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    • 03/31/2017 at 06:15
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      Hi Jerry

      Talking to Wersi personal, all the OAS voices have been transferred to OAX and are in the same place in the database, (So your pre-sets should work) however, the control features and additions that have been added in OAX, means that while the correct sound will probably be loaded, it will be hit or miss as to how well it sounds, as it will not carry over the control features of OAS exactly.

      Hope this helps

      Bill

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    • 03/31/2017 at 06:48
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      Wow – Nice! Guess we all know what you will be doing today! I can tell you this much. There is a backup and restore function in OAX. No Import function. Far as I know you can’t use the presets from Abacus. I suppose you could attempt to “restore” them but I would expect that to fail. If you do try that, I would highly recommend that you make a backup of OAX first – “Just In Case”.

      Hey, look at it this way – By creating all new presets you will get very familiar with the keyboard! 🙂

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  • 03/30/2017 at 20:14
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    Even after having a Hammond Elegante in the 80’s with the dual drawbar set up, I still lack education with the us of percussion, vibrato, celeste, and sustain. Something to help guide me through to fill in some educational holes would certainly help with the learning curve.

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  • 03/30/2017 at 15:33
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    Yes, it would be nice to have a “guide” to things like the celeste, percussion, vibrato, and sustain to begin to learn the drawbars. It would be an excellent way to delve into the adjustment screen behind the main drawbar screen to get started to learn new things. I have lots of holes in my drawbar education.

    Spike

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  • 03/30/2017 at 08:50
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    Yes please do the drawbar video. Even though I don’t have a Sonic….I am interested.

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  • 03/30/2017 at 07:29
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    On the main Wersi web site in Germany, showing the OAX-500 Sonic, I had noticed that they do offer the OX-7, which does offer the options of different drawbars, Hammond tone wheel, and Wersi drawbars as well as the sustain feature like on the old OX-7. http://www.wersi.net/sonic-oax-500.html
    Scroll down to WERSI Zugriegel as it shows the classic OX-7.

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  • 03/30/2017 at 07:17
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    I do not know much about what the new OAX has to offer, but in the past, Wersi with the OX-7 not only featured Hammond tone wheel drawbar sounds, but also included classic Wersi drawbar sounds, also the feature of brightening the drawbars with what Hammond used to do with the “Brilliance” feature and also sustain, bell like fade away effect, not offered on today’s clonewheels. I prefer the Wersi drawbar sounds over old tone wheel drawbar sounds, that tends to be muddy and deep like the older analog Lowrey organs of the past with their flute voices. If you know more about the drawbar system on your OAX Sonic, please do as I would love to learn about it and the features.

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  • 03/30/2017 at 06:25
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    Well hell yeah do a drawbar video!! I’ve never gotten together with fellow musicians when I didn’t learn at least one new thing.

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  • 03/30/2017 at 04:19
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    Hi Curt,

    carry on with your drawbar video. I am very much interested.
    On Saturday I hopefully will have the chance to have a look into the new version OAX 1.41 !!!

    Armin

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  • 03/30/2017 at 02:17
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    I’m with you guys. Stick with it Curt you have done an incredable job so far and spread a lot of technical knowledge to Wersi owners and possible future owners. You have my full support.

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  • 03/29/2017 at 19:36
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    Hi Curt

    Wersi owners are the opposite of Yamaha owners, in that they usually only post if they have a problem, whereas Yamaha owners post about even the smallest thing they find out.

    Unfortunately, it’s always been like this, so no great surprise that it is continuing, however, if you meet them anytime, they all look forward to any help available, even if they don’t post a thank you.

    Keep up the good work, and hopefully things will eventually change.

    Bill

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  • 03/29/2017 at 17:22
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    My RANT continues — http://wersiownersforum.prophpbb.com/post538.html#p538

    I guess i just don’t get why all of us Wersi owners (CD/OAS/OAX) have little to nothing to say? Yes, we are “rusty on the “CD” line and we admit we know nothing about “OAS” but we might just know little about “OAX ” yet it would appear that no one else that owns an OAX instrument cares or would care to share what they do know with others?

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  • 03/29/2017 at 16:27
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    Thanks Mark! Like you, I’ve never owned a Hammond so what the hell do I know about “drawbars”. Let’s see what type of response we get from others.

    I can’t lie, the overall lack of overall response is disappointing (not just in the Drawbar topic). Sure, we could spend yet more time trying to engage owners / customers but at what cost (of our time) should we do that?

    Certainly seems like something that Wersi (Germany/MusicStore/Whoever) should be doing to “Spread the word”? Yet, I see little effort of their part to do that… SAD!

    We own a Sonic, we love our Sonic and we would like to share that enthusiasm with others. Is it perfect? No. Will it get better as new software is released? We think so. Guess we will all shall see!

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  • 03/29/2017 at 15:25
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    Curt,

    I think it worthwhile, as I have never owned a Hammond, so when it comes to the various types of vibrato and Leslie settings, I don’t have a clue, so just trial and error.

    It may be that there are settings I don’t understand that will help my drawbar perception of the Sonic.

    Regards
    Mark

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