Drawbar Reverb – Can it be Changed? YES! Take #3

Japp figured out the needed magic. In one of my earlier posts, I mentioned that the DB modules are grouped with other modules, and I wasn’t able to separate them. I tried left and right click and no luck. The magic trick that Japp found? Left click on one of the DB modules and while holding the left mouse button, sure enough, you can “un-group” the drawbars by dragging them out of the group!

Take a look. Next step was to add the Reverberate VST module in the signal path.

Reverb VST
Ungroup_DB

Next thing to try? Double click on the VB3 module and to see if it would open up the VST. Look what we found. I circled the section in the top left where you can see the reverb control. I tried two things.

  1. You can just adjust the reverb setting right there or:
  2. Using the example of the signal path I have setup above I turned off the reverb in the VB3 and tried a couple of the different reverbs in the Reverberate module. Both worked.
VB3 Reverb
Show_VB3

One thing left to try. Double click on the OX7 module and see what choices we have. Not quite as nice as the VB3. There are over 50 settings to select from using the pull-down I circled in the top left:

OX7 Reverb
Show_OX7

Clearly not as nice of an integration as it could be but the mystery of changing drawbar reverb (at least on the VB3) module has been solved. A much better solution would be to make the reverb settings available the same way they show up for other sounds.

Now that we have an option, how many of you are going to take the plunge and modify the reverb used on the drawbars?

Thanks again to Japp for helping find a solution!

9 thoughts on “Drawbar Reverb – Can it be Changed? YES! Take #3

  • 02/21/2018 at 06:10
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    Hi Mark,

    No problem, I’ll be happy to discuss the Wersi HD Series with Herbert. Enjoy your Sunday afternoon experimentation.

    Jeff

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  • 02/20/2018 at 15:12
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    Hi Rich,

    Just a note of clarification regarding the GSI VB3 version.

    I don’t think there’s any correlation between the Preset Options Menu and the Global Options Menu, they perform completely different functions. The Preset Options Menu relates to those variables that are preset specific, so in addition to things like drawbar settings, vibrato/chorus control, rotor settings etc, we have also options on this menu like ‘Waveform Sets’, ‘Keyclick types’, ‘Background hum volume’ etc. The essential characteristic of all these variables is that they can be set to DIFFERENT values in each preset. Wersi have made all of these available and adjustable on their Wersi VB3 Edition in the OAX, and all will be saved to their set values when we save a preset.

    The Global Options Menu relates to those variables that are set to the SAME value for every preset. So for example we can’t have a 147 rotor cabinet in one preset and a 122 rotor cabinet in another. This makes sense when we consider that in a real setup we will have only one Leslie cabinet connected. The ‘Save Current as Start-Up’ option on the Preset Options Menu is just a way of selecting which preset will be automatically loaded when the module is activated. So the change of rotor type (or any other option on the Global Options Menu) will most likely have resulted from you changing this option in the Global Options Menu and the system automatically saving this setting in the ‘.ini’ configuration file. It’s designed to work this way. If this is so, it’s very encouraging because it implies that Wersi are using the standard GSI configuration file, and have left it writable. So we have an easy way of changing any of these Global options.

    Jeff

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  • 02/19/2018 at 20:28
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    To keep the rotor cabinet or any other change you make in the VB3 Wersi Edition GSI screen, select the “Preset Options Menu” above the treble horn adjustments and select “Current as Start Up”. When making a preset I am using “VB3 Standard UP” sound for upper keyboard and “VB3 Standard Low” sound for the lower keyboard. Also created a custom EQ preset for VB3 and another for OX7.

    Rich

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  • 02/19/2018 at 09:49
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    Hi Mark,

    Just responding to your enquiry about changing the rotor type on the Sonic’s VB3 module. Here’s what to do. Follow Curt’s procedure detailed in this post for detaching the VB3 module from its VST group and open it up. What you will see is what I call the ‘real’ VB3 version, i.e. the commercial version supplied by GSI. Now we can see what Wersi have been doing here. They’ve taken this version, configured it in a particular way for use on the organ and constructed a graphical front end which we see as the ‘Wersi Edition’ in the OAX. The real version has lots of configurable options that don’t appear on the Wersi Edition. Most of these appear on the ‘GLOBAL OPTIONS MENU’ at the top of display on the real version. If you select this option you should see a pull down menu with a large number of parameters. Near the bottom of the list is the ‘Rotary Speaker Type’ parameter. On the latest version we have the following types available – Rock 147, Rock 122, Jazz 122, Rock 760, Monaural, Tone Cabinet and 147 (Fixed Speed). Choose whichever one you prefer. All the configurable options on the VB3 module are stored in a configuration file. Whenever you make a change to the GLOBAL OPTIONS MENU this is automatically saved in the configuration file. However, we don’t know how Wersi have chosen to handle this file so it might be that when you return to the Wersi Edition the rotor setting might not have changed.

    If this occurs then you will need to change the relevant parameter directly in the configuration file. The file has the extension ‘.ini’ and on my system is labelled ‘VB3.ini’. You will need to search the system for this file. It’s a text file so can be easily read by a text editor. The parameter you are looking for is ‘RotaryType’. This will be set to a number that corresponds to the order that the speaker types appear in the GLOBAL OPTIONS MENU. So ‘RotaryType=1’ will be the ‘Rock 147’ setting, and ‘RotaryType=2’ will be the ‘Rock 122’ setting etc. Set the number to your preferred option and close/save the file.

    There are a number of other useful options on the GLOBAL OPTIONS MENU that are worth looking at, including the ‘Organ Type’ which gives you three different sounding B3 variants, and the ‘Tonewheel Scaling’ which adjusts the relative intensities of the harmonics in the mix giving you a different sound for any given drawbar setting. If you’re interested in getting the optimum drawbar sound then it’s worth trying out all the configurable options on the real version. I spent quite a lot of time doing this on the Wersi HD Series implementation to get just the sound that I wanted.

    Detailed information on all these options is available in the VB3 User’s Manual which can be downloaded from the GSI web site.

    http://www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=24

    Have fun
    Jeff

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    • 02/19/2018 at 14:52
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      Excellent feedback Jeff – You beat me to it. I was going to say pretty much the same thing but I doubt I would have been as detailed as you were.

      Thank You for sharing!

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    • 02/20/2018 at 16:59
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      Thanks Jeff, that will be something to play with on Sunday afternoon.

      As an aside there is a guy called Herbert on the Organforum site that I have pointed at your Wersi HD pages, so he may contact you. Hope that is ok.

      Regards
      Mark

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  • 01/28/2018 at 11:24
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    Curt,
    Very interesting you can take any section out of the box just with one finger double click and you have all settings as OX7 no need for a mouse. I am unable to use both keyboards with VB3 so far? but it is possible to send either section through different speakers. eg. Drawbars out of the rear speakers, drums on the front etc.
    Let me know if you can get both keyboards working on one module (VB3)??

    Derek….

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    • 01/28/2018 at 12:44
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      Derek,
      I’m guessing you have two sets of speakers hooked up via Line Out 1 and Line Out 2? Way back when I had my Delta I had a big enough space to have the Delta sitting in the middle of the room and four speakers connected. Two in front of me and two behind me. The sound was killer!

      I was able to assign the VB3 to both upper and lower but only when I had the factory VST “01” preset. Sounds like a new challenge! 🙂

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      • 01/29/2018 at 03:56
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        Curt,
        That’s right I have Vocalis speakers for the main and M-Audio 3-6 Monitors for the rear. Also a M&J Acoustics Woofer ( able to gone down to 10Hz ). A test I use to preform from the past on my old Hammond A100 – Just have the 16′ drawbar out all the way ( No Tremolo or Chorus ) play one note ( bottom C ) then pull the 5 1/3′ Bar out slowly until you hear the 16′ switch to 32′ – that’s when you know you have a good speaker set up.

        Will have to try factory VST.

        Thanks,
        Derek…

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