Yep – We are still here!

We have been a little quiet over the past week or two. We have been busy converting from satellite based TV to IP based TV. It’s been a fun and interesting adventure. Is it for everyone? Maybe not but for us we are saving over $100 a month and have the ability to watch 90+% of the same content. If that is of interest to you contact us we we can tell you more about what we have learned.

Now, on to OAX fun – In a recent post we asked what else folks would like to learn more about and sadly we received few responses. While we could drill down deeper into each topic we have already covered I’m not sure it’s worth our time if there is no interest from other or potential OAX owners?

Let us know what features you would like to learn more about? As we already posted – if we don’t know the answer to your question we will poke about and figure it out  and share with all to learn from.

 

21 thoughts on “Yep – We are still here!

  • 03/24/2017 at 18:28
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    Hi Curt
    How about an article on that little magic remote control that is stored in the back of the organ.
    What does it do??????

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  • 03/24/2017 at 06:29
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    Hi Ross

    Make sure vibrato is turned off, and that the microphone is not too close to the Leslie as this will cause the effect you are experiencing, also go for a microphone setting that has a wide dispersion to get more of an ambient recording. (Altering the Leslie itself will not solve the problem you have)

    Hope this helps

    Bill

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    • 03/25/2017 at 16:39
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      Hi Bill
      Thanks, sometime a go I tried all of these settings, I understand all of these settings and the effect they should have. Vibrato was off and any changes would not happen until you swiped back to the VB3 page then swiped back to the Leslie page again. Also next time the organ was started one has to reset the settings again as they go back to their default. I will have another play in this area. I’m going to be away for the next 3 weeks but will keep you posted. Many thanks for you help.

      Regards
      Ross

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  • 03/21/2017 at 22:43
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    Hi Curt
    I have spent considerable time on the VB3 drawbar organ settings and I do not like the sound of this organ at all. It does not sound quite so bad on slow rotor, but when fast rotor is selected it sounds like a washing machine on spin cycle! The fast rotor surge is is far too much, I have made changes to rotor speeds, belt slip, mike settings etc. which only slightly improves the overall sound. Note: you have to exit out of the Leslie tone cabinet page and go back in again before any changes to the effects take place.
    Oh for a decent drawbar organ with user fast slow rotor control.

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    • 03/22/2017 at 05:33
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      WOW! The VB3 Hammond emulator VST is pretty much the go to standard for both professional studio producers, musicians, and home hobbyist’s, (Most rate it better than the discontinued B4 from Native Instruments) so I am surprised you are having problems finding a setting to suit. It may be worthwhile searching for some tutorials on YouTube, (Just type in GSI VB3 Tonewheel Organ Emulator) to see if that helps.

      Alternatively, you can try Native Instruments Vintage Organs https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keys/vintage-organs/ which may suit you better.

      BTW, you haven’t got the distortion set to high (Or the hum level) have you, as this can also cause the effect you mention. (Remember, a Hammond and a Leslie are a synergy, so just adjusting one without the other is not usually successful)

      Hope this helps

      Bill

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      • 03/22/2017 at 17:06
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        Hi Bill
        Many thanks for you comments, I did not realize the VB3 had such a good rating. I had another go at it yesterday after my doing my post, my recent reference has been the organ voices on the Tyros 5 which I got on with extremely well with and thoroughly enjoyed. After posting the above comments yesterday I returned to my Sonic and tried again, it doesn’t sound to bad when mixed with strings but as solo organ for me and quite a few other Sonic owners it is not well received. I have a had a couple of digital Hammond’s in my day and thoroughly enjoyed them. Perhaps if I was a Jazz player it would be the bees knees. I have watched a lot of the Sonic YouTube clips and heard some great organ sounds that I cannot create, like A Whiter Shade Of Pale played by Robert Bartha which sounds great. May be it is my style of playing, I am an amateur and play mainly ballad type music. Cheers

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        • 03/22/2017 at 17:17
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          Hi Ross,

          I tend to agree with you, and whilst vastly improved through decent speakers, not a patch on the Verona drawbars, prior Beta or indeed the separate OX7 I used to have.

          I find the VB3 and OX7 sounds on Sonic very weak and weedy, especially without percussion, and have tended to use the presets too, as you suggest. I too have been mixing sounds with strings, and in some cases mixing drawbar presets with the dominant one having greater volume, and the others just giving depth, but as you say, makes altering the drawbar mid song, pointless.

          I used to love the full Wersi drawbar sound, but not so on Sonic – yet, as probably like you, I hope I have something wrong as other demos I have heard seem to have some great Wersi drawbar sounds, my only problem is trying to recreate them.

          Anyone out there happy with a full, non-percussive drawbar sound on Sonic they are happy to share all the settings for?

          Thanks
          Mark

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          • 03/22/2017 at 19:33
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            Hi Ross & Mark

            Follow this link http://keyboardservice.com/Drawbars.asp for suggested Hammond drawbar settings which hopefully will provide what you are looking for. (Make sure you set the VB3 manual settings back to default before trying them out) Also make sure you haven’t got any EQ messing with the sound.

            NOTE: Try the above settings with both VB3 and OX7 to see which you prefer.

            Hope this helps

            Bill

      • 03/23/2017 at 06:19
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        Interesting discussion as I enjoy and have no issues with the drawbar sounds… Perhaps an America thing vs. the sound you are looking for across the pond? Followed the link that Bill posted and a ton of suggestions there to try out. Going to have to give some of those a try.

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        • 03/23/2017 at 14:34
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          Hi Curt,

          I think you may be right. VB3 does a good job of Hammond drawbar sounds, which is probably what you are accustomed to on your side of the pond, but what I want (and I suspect Ross too) is the Wersi drawbar sound, which in my view is weak compared to prior Wersi instruments. I have more playing to do with it, but whenever I do a recording that includes drawbar sounds, that isn’t a percussion sound, I am left a bit disappointed.

          There are some presets, such as KW drawbar 1, 2 and 3 that do a reasonable job, but for me have a little too much vibrato or something that makes it not quite right. I think playing speed and style also has a big impact, as I notice from some of your playing I assume your preference is Jazz, whereas I have a slower non-Jazz style, and I think Ross’ comments on his style being Ballad, is probably putting him in the same place as me.

          I share your frustration Ross.

          We probably need to understand what sort of sounds Robert is playing, are they standard, modified, or does he have a separate expander box with sounds on that he is playing via midi, as I know some of the pro’s do.

          Going back to Bill’s comments, I don’t think it to be EQ related, as I have fiddled with all of that, to the point where other sounds then don’t sound right, so I think I have that balance about right, and as per my previous post, the Adam speakers have improved it dramatically over the internals, but not to the point where I am happy.

          Ross – I would be interested in how you get on with your playing around, and I will feedback also – I may also ask Wersi for some help if I can’t get the sounds I need, as it is quite fundamental that a Wersi organ can reproduce the Wersi organ sound.

          Cheers
          Mark

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          • 03/23/2017 at 15:50
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            Hi Mark, Bill, Curt
            Many thanks for your info and comments,I am sure we will eventually get some decent drawbar voices in time. We all know the OAX series is still work in progress, be patient grasshoppers after all it is an organ, surely real Wersi drawbars are in the pipeline.

            Regards
            Ross

          • 03/23/2017 at 21:30
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            Just to recap: Apart from the overall sound being a bit thin, my main issue is the fast rotor sound. I have had Leslie cabinets with earlier Hammond’s, also Hammond’s with built in Leslie speakers so I know how they are supposed to sound.
            The fast rotor speed (tremolo) of the VB3 is far to surging, it pulses far to hard, not natural like a proper dual rotor Leslie cabinet which makes the sound unpleasant. As I previously said the sound is not too bad on slow rotor (chorale).
            Rosco

          • 03/24/2017 at 07:16
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            True, I tend to use VB3 with perc and or keyclick settings for 99% of the time that I use drawbars… which isn’t all that often. Based on this conversation I did spend some time yesterday messing with the drawbars and found there are a number of things you can change that I really never thought about much.

            I’m going to listen to KW drawbar 1, 2 and 3 that you mentioned to see if I can pick up what you are looking for. Although not exactly what you want to hear they are close?

  • 03/21/2017 at 20:37
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    I would like to suggest that you make a video on how to use the one finger chord system on your Wersi. On my Wersi keyboards, you can play a single note chord and use the third note at the same time to make it a minor chord. Even though I know how to play chords, sometimes it is much easier to play one-finger chords. There are effects on how you play the one finger chords or full chords when using the orchestrated background styles on your Wersi.

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    • 03/25/2017 at 10:00
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      Pat, why would anyone use one finger chord on a organ that costs so much.
      Unless you are beginner, there is no use for this facility in my view.

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  • 03/21/2017 at 09:50
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    Hi Curt

    How to get the best out of The Professional Manual Controls before saving in a Pre-set.

    Note: This will probably take more than one video as there is a lot in there, (Getting the best out of the dynamic curves etc. will probably need a video on its own) however, it will show the power of the Wersi customisation controls for each individual sound.

    Happy investigating & recording.

    Bill

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    • 03/21/2017 at 13:39
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      Thanks for the input Bill. I have poked around in that area a bit but haven’t actually saved any of the changes that I made at the time.

      Along with the drawbars comments below – Maybe it’s time to get back to work on making a new video or two…

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  • 03/20/2017 at 22:06
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    Hi Curt,
    I was hoping I would have the OAS to OAX upgrade by now but still no word. After watching and listening to every OAX video and audio clip I noticed that all (except Brett) are playing with the drawbar samples not OX7-2 or VB3. The only drawbars they adjust are the volume drawbars not the harmonic tone drawbars. Maybe a video on both drawbar systems will coax the players to play organ with live drawbars not just samples. The virtual OX7 graphics are very similar to the hardware OX7UP that was introduced on the CD line. Adjusting the many controls can vary the sound greatly. I also have a question with the chorus in the effects section “Does it work with the live drawbar systems or do you have to use chorus from the drawbar systems only?” When the CD line system was introduced Bill Horn had a special technique of placing drawbars on 2 upper selectors and then detuning them to add more fullness, I do not think that can be done on OAX. Anything you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Rich

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    • 03/21/2017 at 06:28
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      Hey Rich,

      I was wondering if you folks had received the upgrades yet… Guess not! Let me poke around a bit and update you on that question. I recall exactly what you are talking about and used the same technique not only on drawbars but also on strings and some of the electric piano voices back in my Spectra days.

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      • 03/21/2017 at 13:37
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        Rich, I have good news and bad news and you are correct, looks like there is quite bit that we could cover in the drawbar section after poking around a bit this morning.

        One thing that I did find is you can’t assign the “Live” drawbars to let’s say both Upper1 and Upper2 at the same time. Pops up an error message stating that isn’t allowed. I didn’t try all the possible preset drawbars sounds but the first one I randomly picked and I was allowed to assign the same sound to both Upper1 and Upper2.

        Once that was done I was able to double tap either sound and another screen comes up where you can detune the selected sound. As expected, you can go either + or -.

        As for Chorus, yes I was able in that same screen as mentioned above, change the Chorus setting from “Sound” to “Slider” and then change the setting from 0-100% for the Chorus setting using the slider.

        One other thing. If you hit the physical Chorus button on the console you get a different window that will let you select various Chorus settings along with “Off”. Tried a few of them and they did make a difference in the sound I had selected. Certainly opens up a ton of configurations from Drawbar type sounds!

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